Belê bînerên ezîz, wekî hefteya borî ne, li gundê Çeqela Cûmê, li navçeya Cindirêsê. Yes dear viewers, like last week, we are in the village of Chaqala Jume, in the district of Jindires.
Ev gunda jî 100 mal e. Lê du ol têda jîyan dikin. Miletê me yê Misilman û miletê me yê Êzîdî. This village has 100 households. But two religions live in it. Our Muslim people and our Yazidi people.
Çil û sê şikeft di vî gundî da hene. Bîrek di vî gundî da heye. There are forty-three caves in this village. There is a well in this village.
Ev gunda berê di şikefta da jîyan dikirin. Li hef pehlewanê me jî ji vî gundî ne. This village used to live in the caves in the past. Seven of our wrestlers are also from this village.
Ka em derbasî vî gundî bin, em vî gundî nas bikin. Let's enter this village, let's get to know this village.
Temaşevanên hêja, em derbasî gundê Çeqela Cûmê bûn. Dear viewers, we have entered the village of Chaqala Jume.
Me got, ev gunda du ol têda jîyan dikin, miletê me yê Êzîdî û miletê me yê Misilman. As we said, two religions live in this village, our Yazidi people and our Muslim people.
Apê Nebî, ew jî kesek ji vî gundî ye, Êzîdî ye. Û Apê Îbram, ew jî Misilman e ji vî gundî. Uncle Nebi, he is a person from this village, he is Yazidi. And Uncle Ibram, he is a Muslim from this village.
Emê pirsa ji wan bikin. Merheba. We will ask them questions. Hello.
Ehlen. Welcome.
Apê Nebî, ka ji me ra bêje destpêka vî gundî kî bû? Kê ev gunda ava kir? Uncle Nebi, tell us, who was the beginning of this village? Who founded this village?
Destpêka vî gundî, ê hatî vî gundî, destpêkê ava kirî, vêra digotin Sarim Ehmed. The beginning of this village, the one who came to this village and founded it initially, they called him Sarim Ahmed.
Merîkî qebedayî bû, hewloyê xwa va. Gulpîşê dewleta Osmanî lê sekinîn. He was a tough man, with his entourage. The vanguard of the Ottoman state stood against him.
Dewleta Osmanî nikarî çare jê bikira. Rabû teqîbat... Stenbolê birêket hat. The Ottoman state couldn't handle him. Persecution arose... he set off from Istanbul and came.
Hatin vî derî, hatin Cemgînê. They came to this place, they came to Jemgin.
Waliyê Helebê ew dixwaze. The Governor of Aleppo wanted him.
Hew lê xistin, hew lê va... lê xistin çûn Helebê. They attacked him, they did this... they attacked and went to Aleppo.
Gîhiştin Helebê, li wê derê, Waliyê Helebê serê wan kir du bar e. They reached Aleppo, and there, the Governor of Aleppo put an end to them [lit: made their heads into two loads].
Hev merna girtin, herdik bidarxistin, bavu kû lêva, û vegeriyan şandin gundê Çeqela. They caught these men, hanged both of them, father and son together, and returned/sent them to the village of Chaqala.
Dûpê wan ra, kî kî rabû? Mala Cimko rabûn. After them, who rose up? The House of Jimko rose up.
Mala Cimko rabûn, hukim kirin... paşê mala Cimko jî îş kirin, merê ji hevdû kuştin... The House of Jimko rose up and ruled... then the House of Jimko also got into trouble, they killed men from each other...
Hevna rabûn û çûn di gundê Ereban ra derketin. Some of them rose up, went away, and appeared in the Arab village.
Dûpê wan ra, vêra dibên malbata Xaletê Îbram... tê dibê Mala Sûskulekê... After them, they call here the family of Xaletê Îbram... you say the House of Suskulek...
Hev aîlek bûn têda û em aîlek bûn. There was that one family in it, and we were one family.
Yanî heş-deh malbat di vî gundî da hene? Meaning there are eight to ten families in this village?
Heş-deh malbat, evna cîcîk tê hene. Malbatê esasî, siftê, hev herd malbatna tenê bûn. Eight to ten families, these are small ones currently in it. The essential families, initially, were only those two families.
Dûpê Mala Cimko ra hevna bûn. After the House of Jimko, it was them.
Apê Nebî, ka ji me ra bêje jiber ku ev miletê me yê Misilman û Êzîdî bi hevra jîyan dikin... Uncle Nebi, tell us, since our Muslim and Yazidi people live together...
Urf û adetê we çawa ne bi hevra? How are your customs and traditions together?
Oooh, urf û adetê me, teqalîdê me, pirr xweş e. Oh, our customs and traditions, our ways, are very good.
Pirr, pirr. Cî yek e, tefrîqa tine ye. Very, very. The place is one, there is no discrimination.
Em wekî bira, xwak, biraka, bi hevra di'êşin, radibin, rûdinin. We are like brothers, soil, siblings, we toil together, stand up, and sit together.
Mriyê di me, dewetê di me, xwarnê di me... em bi hevra radibin rûdinin, kes nizane, hevna aîlek malek bijî, dîsa na wergî ye. Our funerals, our weddings, our food... we gather together, no one knows [the difference], if you say these are one family one household, it is just like that.
Nano, dibêjin goristan, wekî gor, yek e yanî? Tirbê we jî yek in? Grandpa, they say the cemetery, the graves, are one? Are your graves also one?
Erê, di cem hevdû ne. Goristana me jî yek e, û em gî cem hevdû ne. Yes, they are next to each other. Our cemetery is also one, and we are all next to each other.
Hew jî daren cem mriyê me, ser mriyê me, em jî daren ser ê wana. Em bi hevra radibin rûdinin, bira ye. They also come to our dead, attend our funerals, and we attend theirs. We stand and sit together, it is brotherhood.
Yanî tu ferq tine navbeyna Misilman û Êzîdî da? So there is no difference between Muslims and Yazidis?
Ferq tine. Kok tine. No difference. Absolutely none.
Daxê em gîştine, tarîxê em gîştine vir dada... berî wê çûbû em nizanin. Since we all arrived, since our history arrived here... what happened before that we don't know.
Bes noka, tiştê mabeyna me da, elhemdulelah roj bi roj destpêk ji destpêkê çêtir e. But now, the things between us, praise be to God, day by day, it is better than the beginning.
Ne xirabtir e. Em pêşda daren bi hevra. It is not worse. We are moving forward together.
Ez te spas dikim. I thank you.
Te jî xweş, ehlen wa sehlan. You are welcome too, hello and welcome.
Apê Îbram, na, ma got gundê we 100 mal e... û berê gundê we jî di şikefta da jîyan dikirin. Uncle Ibram, now, we said your village is 100 households... and in the past, your village used to live in caves.
Hûn dabara xwa bi çi dikin? What do you do for your livelihood?
Berê, hewa em gî ew bûn, şivan bûn, pez-mezê me hebû. In the past, well we were all that, shepherds, we had sheep and such.
Û pez xelas bû... em ketin komirê, komir dikirin. And the sheep finished... we got into charcoal, making charcoal.
Û piştî komirê, bûn cotayî... êsta genim diçandin, ceh diçandin, nîsk diçandin, zebeş, tişt, behcan sor diçandin, zebeş, gî diçandin. And after charcoal, we became farmers... then planting wheat, planting barley, planting lentils, watermelons, things, planting tomatoes, watermelons, planting everything.
Û dabara me zivistana me çi kar dikir? Zivistanê jî çaq, ehwa me, mûj bûn, hejîr bûn, gûz bûn. And our livelihood, what work did we do in our winter? In winter too, provisions, our coffee, were raisins, figs, walnuts.
Va tiştna me, hemû radikirin, me dibirin Helebê difrotin. Gahm dihatin cem hevdû yanî. These things of ours, we would pick them all up, take them to Aleppo and sell them. We would come together.
Ê şevda rûdiniştin, qalê me şev pirr dikirin. Sitting at night, we would talk a lot at night.
Digot mesela te çiqas, ew dexîlê xwa dinayî, ew zexîrê xwa dinayî... He would say for example how much is yours, he would put down his grain, he would put down his provisions...
Çiqas qeyza-qeyza xwa anî... digot min tenekok kiriye, min ebaq xwa kiriye... How much goods he brought... he would say I filled a tin, I made my cloak [filled my cloak]...
Û digot ta sol derbas kir yanî... baş wana bi hevdû ra dikirin, em xwa rûdiniştin, me den dikir bitûnî. And he would say until he passed the year... they did well together, we would sit down, we would speak entirely.
Û em noka jî, berê rintir in. And we now, are better than before.
Û em Se'îd Feqîr ji cem me hene, Îslam ji cem me hene, em gî yek in. And we have Said Feqir [Yazidis] among us, we have Muslims among us, we are all one.
Nano, Apê Îbram, ev kîngê we zeytûn û rez, dest bi rez û zeytûna kir? Grandpa, Uncle Ibram, when did you start with olives and vineyards, start the vineyards and olives?
Ewle, teka be's bînê... ne du sed salo virdada ye. Ekî ji du sed salo virdada ye. Well, if you look at it... it is not [more than] 200 years from here. It is surely within 200 years.
Zeytûn li vî derî bûn... û milet pê 'îşiya... û baş bi hevra di'îşin... Olives were here... and people lived by it... and they live well together...
Û diçin cem hevdû tên... û îbarê cem hevdû serî... yanî ew tina bûn. And they go to each other and come... and considerations for each other... meaning those things existed.
Yanî ferq tine... sed mal e, bes malbatek e. Na na malbatek e, ferq tine di mabeyna me da. Meaning there is no difference... 100 households, but it is one family. No no, one family, no difference between us.
Heta dînê qîçka... me Zeredeştî bûn... tu Misilman î? Even the religion of the little ones... we were Zoroastrians... are you Muslim?
Em jî yanî Misilman in, navê me Misilman bûn. We are also, meaning, Muslims, our names were Muslim.
Û dîsa em cem hevdû di'îşin, ne qeher û ne hesûdî û ne tştek. And again we live together, no anger and no jealousy and nothing.
Ez te spas dikim. I thank you.
Ser seran û ser çavan. You are very welcome [On my head and on my eyes].
Temaşevanên hêja, li vir jî kînisîk heye. Kînisîk pirr kevn e. Dear viewers, here there is a small church. A very old small church.
Nayê zanîn dîroka vê kînisiyê, ji me ra bêje dîroka wê. Merheba uştare. The history of this church is not known, tell us its history. Hello teacher.
Ahlen wa sehlan. Welcome.
Nano, ji me ra, li ser vê kînisiyê bêje, û şikeft e. Sir, tell us about this church, and it is a cave.
Hewa bi xwa, wekî jimeratî ye xuyankirin, pirr kevnar e. Well, itself, as it is visible to you, is very ancient.
Hinekî Ermenî car ke ji Helebê hatin mala kalê min... ketine hîçî şiketê. Some Armenians once came from Aleppo to my grandfather's house... they entered inside the cave.
Got hav kinîsa, yanî a Rûm e. Û dibên vê ra şiket e. They said this church is Roman. And they call this a cave.
Şiketê vî rî jî, vêra dibên şiketek li 'Oşka heye, şerqî me. The caves of this side too, they say there is a cave at 'Oshka', east of us.
Dibên şiketa Kersendaşê... rêk di berra diçe. They call it the Cave of Kersendashe... a road goes through it.
Em jî wekî bi şeklekî şexsî em ketine hîçê, nîzîka sed mitroyî em çûn, em negihiştin dawiya wê. Em şûnda vekişiyan. We also, in a personal capacity, entered inside, we went nearly 100 meters, we didn't reach its end. We pulled back.
Û kinîse jî tebayî gund jî zane, dîroka wê gelekî kevn e, a hezar sal e. And the church too, the village folks know, its history is very old, of a thousand years.
Û hinekî lêkolîn hatin ser gêm de... behs kirin gotin ji hezar sala da ye, a Rûman e. And some researchers came on the mound... they discussed and said it is from a thousand years ago, it is Roman.
Lê dîroka wê bi şeklekî deqîq kê hukim kiriye, kê derxistiye, hîn ji me ra nehatiye xuyankirin. But its history in a precise manner, who ruled, who excavated it, has not yet been revealed to us.
Dema lê mayê çapê... hewcî... şikeftek heye. When the printing press remained... there is a need... there is a cave.
Hewcî em bibêjin, bi ser vê kinîsê va hatiye girtin. We need to say, it was named after this church.
Lê hef, dîrokê vê em zanin, yanî em bibêjin "a kinîsa me ye". But, we know its history, meaning we say "this is our church".
Wana haniye girtin bi ser vê kinîsê va. They named it after this church.
Em wekî zanin hanê ye yanî. As we know, it is like that.
Ji ber... yanî, tîliya vê kinîsê em nizanin çi qas sal hukum bûye. Because... meaning, regarding the details of this church, we don't know how many years it reigned.
Heger kî tê da hukum kiriye, derkiriye, me tê da lêkolîn li ser wê hewê nekiriye. If someone ruled in it, or was expelled, we haven't done research on that matter.
Temam, na, ev gundê we... û ev gundê aşke va, çend kîlometre ji hev dûr e? Okay, now, your village... and this village visible over there, how many kilometers are they apart?
Ta pê gerek sê kîlometre ji hev dûr be û newal û çiya jî di navbera wan da hene yanî. It must be three kilometers apart, and there are valleys and mountains between them.
Yanî ev şikefta ji vê rêya heya 3 kîlometre ferqa di navbera xwe heye? So this cave has a difference of 3 kilometers from this road?
Pîraniya gund da heye... de... berê di pêşiya me da digotin "Ke'er berdan". There is the majority of the village... well... before, in front of us, they used to say "they abandoned the Ke'er" (ruins/ancient settlement).
Ke'er... Ke'erê bizina... berdan, divê çûn li wî derî, li ber şikefta Kersan da şê, dîn hew ke'era girtin. Ke'er... the Goat's Ke'er... they abandoned it, they must have gone to that place, near the Kersan cave, and established the religion in that Ke'er.
Yanî wekî hewa didên... heger girêdayî ser şikeftê... yanî... Meaning as they give it like that... if it is connected to the cave... meaning...
Be'jîb... avhewaya wê jî yanî tehemul nake. Strange... its climate is also not tolerable.
Ji ber newalek li ba vî gundî me heye û çiya hene, bi 100 metroyan bilindbûna wî û kûrbûna wî... Because there is a valley by our village and there are mountains, with 100 meters of height and depth...
Tehemul nake rexmî wî jî, divên, digihîne şikefta Kersan da şê. It's unbearable despite that, they say, it reaches the Kersan cave.
Em jî wek ciwan... yanî em ketine... de esnê şebabê qiymeda, 100 metreyî em çûn me girêşmîş nebûn, em çûn da û vekişiyan yanî. We, as young people... meaning we fell... in the prime of our youth, we went 100 meters, we didn't get stuck, we went down and withdrew.
Ev xaniyê jî... vî xaniyê kelek mayî jî, ev jî bingeha gund e, pişta şikefta vî miletî, ev gundê we pişta wî ev xan hatin girtin? These houses too... these remaining ruin houses, this is also the foundation of the village, behind the cave of these people, was your village built behind these houses?
Wana piştî Mala Jimkê... di destpêkê da Mala Jimkê li vî gundî... yanî jiyan berdewam dikirin. Those, after Mala Jimkê (Jimkê family)... in the beginning, Mala Jimkê... meaning they continued life in this village.
Piştî Mala Jimkê, vêra dibên Sûskuleka... yanî ayla Sûskuleka... After Mala Jimkê, they call it Suskuleka here... meaning the Suskuleka family...
Piştî wî yanî jiyan berdewam kirin, piştî wî Zeredaştî hatin, piştî wî Mala Tirkû hatin, Mala Kurd hatin, Mala Ferxê hatin, Mala Reşî Sêvo hatin... After that, meaning they continued life, after that the Zaradashtis came, after that Mala Tirkû came, Mala Kurd came, Mala Ferxê came, Mala Reşî Sêvo came...
Yanî hemû ayle hatin, Mala Elcûkê, Hesen Zemû hatin, Hesen Sûranî hatin... Meaning all the families came, Mala Elcûkê, Hesen Zemû came, Hesen Surani came...
Piştî wî em bibêjin Mala Birîm... yanî em bêjin Mala Birîm wana... After that let's say Mala Birîm... meaning let's say Mala Birîm, them...
Ser feqîrê va tên hesib, wî jî taliyê da, hew jî jiyan berdewam kirin. They are considered among the poor, they also in the end, they also continued life.
Ser vî xanî, esasê vî gundî va heft xaniyê yek, piştî Mala Jimkê... Regarding this house, the foundation of this village was these seven single houses, after Mala Jimkê...
E pismamê gund li pêşiyê ye, e pismamê gundî din li wê hêlê ye. The cousin of the village is in the front, the cousin of the other villager is on that side.
Sê xanî bûn, hew na esasê gund hew hatin girtin, piştî Mala Jimkê. There were three houses, that is how the foundation of the village was established, after Mala Jimkê.
Piştî wî jiyan gî di şikefta va da bû. After that, all life was inside the caves.
Piştî şikefta... yanî hemû gund gî şikefta bû. After the caves... meaning the whole village was all caves.
Piştî şikefta her kesî ciyê xwe girt, ketin mal, wek wî çaxê di wa... di esrî da... After the caves, everyone took their place, moved into houses, like in that time in the... in the era...
Hinkî xanî di kêm bûn, piraniya gund, gî kevir û mezin bûn, hinkî neqiş... Some houses were few, the majority of the village, all were stone and large, some engravings...
Xanî dîrokî bûn. The houses were historical.
Xanî dîrokî bûn, ax bû, heware bû, hundirê wî em bibêjin bi hewarê dera çêdikirin. The houses were historical, it was earth, it was "heware" (type of stone/earth), its interior, let's say, they made it with "heware" outside.
Em negihiştin va jiyana piraniya gundê, lê em gihiştin qismekî pirrî besît jê, me tê da heyat derbas kir di vî xanî da yanî. We didn't reach the life of the majority of the village, but we reached a very simple part of it, we spent life in this house, meaning.
Tu zanî, ev xaniyê li vir heye na, li Kobanê û li Cizîrê, hemû gundê wana hînê ne. You know, the houses here, in Kobane and Jazira, all their villages are mud/earth.
Tu zanî ev xaniyê di wana hemû dibîne dîrokî ne, axîn e. Ev xaniyê di vir ji namîne. Ev xaniyê dîrokî vir namîne. You know, you see all their houses are historical, made of earth. These houses here are not like that. These historical houses here are not like that.
Bixwedê delal, li ser tebîetê ew cografyayê yanî em bibêjin Rojavayê... By God, dear, based on nature and that geography, meaning let's say Rojava...
Hinkî zêdetir... piraniya gundê ya qişmişî hevdu dibe. Some more... the majority of the villages resemble each other.
Lê hinek derna, eleqedar dibin bi hundir bajar va ra, bi hundir dera ra, pêşketina wan... yanî bêhtirî beşê din çêdibe. But some places, they are connected to inside the city, with inside places, their progress... meaning it happens more than the other part.
Jiber wî... yanî em bibêjin, tebîeta... vê derê Rojavayê kantona Efrînê, hinkî başqetirî hewe derê din e yanî. Because of that... meaning let's say, the nature... of this place in Rojava, Afrin Canton, is a bit different from those other places.
Te spas dikim. I thank you.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, jinên vî gundî jî hemû li hev civîne, bi cil û bergên xwe ê Efrînî. Yes dear viewers, the women of this village have all gathered together, with their traditional Afrini clothes.
Xwestin xwarinek ji me re amade bikin. Xwarinek Efrînî kevin e. They wanted to prepare a meal for us. An old Afrini meal.
Naha emê bipirsin. Merheba ji te re dayê. Now we will ask. Hello to you, mother.
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Naha tu çi xwarin ji me re amade dikî, çi hazir dikî? Now what meal are you preparing for us, what are you making ready?
Wele em kutayiyê hazir dikin ji we re. Well, we are preparing Kutayî for you.
Û ehlen we sehlen bi hatina Qenata Rûnahî, ser seran, her çavan, merdûd xwest ji rûkê ji rebê 'alemê, em Kurdistana ava ken. And welcome to the arrival of Ronahî Channel, upon heads, upon eyes (you are welcome), the rejected wished from the face of the Lord of the world, that we build Kurdistan.
Û mîvanê me werin û em jî hewra dan ken. And let our guests come and we will chat together.
Spas. Naha dayê, ev xwarina hûn çawa çêdikin? Çi dikeve vê xwarinê, ka ji me re bêje? Thanks. Now mother, how do you make this meal? What goes into this meal, tell us?
Ev xwarina kutayiyê... silef genim e. This Kutayî meal... first, it is wheat.
Emê bişon, bibin aş... delûbê bibin, bînin, lêxin, dikutin. We will wash it, take it to the mill... take the wheat grains, bring them, strike them, pound them.
Wînin, werin, rêxînin, veqetînin... wextê em kê bikin... berê... ji me mestir, li dewata çêdikirin. Bring them, come, sift them, separate them... when we want to make it... before... those older than us, used to make it at weddings.
Ê li vê derê jî em noka ji we re... hewal didin, em çû û me çêdikir. And here too, we now for you... try, we went and made it.
Yanî ev xwarina berê bes li dewata çêdibû? Meaning this meal was only made at weddings before?
Na, ev xwarina... yanî zemanê berê pirr jê hez dikirin, marîdê mezin digot "Elhî rûj mara... jinekê kutayîkê bike em kê bixon". No, this meal... meaning in the old times they liked it a lot, the old sick person would say "God give us a day... let a woman make a Kutayî so we can eat."
Haya naha hûn vê xwarinê çêdikin? Until now do you make this meal?
Haya naha em çêdikin û em dan dikin û dixon û jê hez dikin yanî. Until now we make it and we serve/cook it and eat it and like it, meaning.
De ka kerem ke, ka bêje çawa çêdikin. Please go ahead, tell us how you make it.
Me... em silef medanî xo şûşt, em nadin ser êgir. We... we first washed our mortar stone (or wheat for the mortar), we don't put it on the fire.
Emê bikin, em êvarê nerm dikin... dên û noka. We will do it, in the evening we soften it... give it and now.
Emê sibehiyê rabin, emê wê avê ser birjînin. We will get up in the morning, we will pour that water over it.
Goştê xwe wîna paqij bişon, kelekê bi goştê xwe xînin, wê avê birjînin, me'ne sosin e vê... Wash their meat clean like that, put a pot with their meat, pour that water, meaning clean it...
Emê kutayiya xwe bi ser hêrdin. We will pour our Kutayî (wheat) on top.
Emê goştê xwe bişon, tev... We will wash our meat, mix...
Goştê mirîşka ye? Is it chicken meat?
Ê mirîşka ye, ê pêz jî tê çêdibê, çi dilê te xwest ê tê vêkê. It is chicken, lamb is also possible, whatever your heart desires you can put in.
Emê goştê xwe bişon, tevdaniya xwe kin, daniya xwe bikelînin. We will wash our meat, do our mixing/cooking, boil our wheat/meal.
Ser ra gemarê bigirin. Ortax emê tiştê xwe têkinî. Skim the scum off the top. Then we will put our things in.
Emê du pîvaz xawîr kin, û sota xû we têkin ê mistin, û berdin nav vê danî. We will sauté two onions, and put their fuel/fat in and rub it, and drop it into this meal.
Goştê me jî kelî, emê zerkik zeytî xwe jî têkinê. Our meat also boiled, we will also put a little of our oil in it.
Li kelket, rind... ortax li kelket, emê tim tev din. E, û emê dînên, e bixon. When it boils, well... then when it boils, we will stir it constantly. Yes, and we will serve it, and eat.
Piştî we dîna ser agir, yanî çi qas dem dixwaze heta ew xwarina hazir be? After you put it on the fire, meaning how much time does it need until that meal is ready?
Ortax bi hesabî... tu kê pir bikî, wele hendek bikî, saetekê darrê, nîv saetê darrê, êşta ortax tu kê hesabî pirbûnê bikî. Then by calculation... if you make a lot, or make a little, it takes an hour, it takes half an hour, now then you will calculate the amount.
Şîv pir be, du saeta tu kê bikelînî. Tu kê tim tev de kutayî kele pir dixwaze, hevdana... vê bilxurakê... avaya... êkê bifarte nerm bibe. If the dinner is large, you will boil it for two hours. You will stir constantly, Kutayî requires a lot of boiling, the merging... of this bulgur... water... it must boil so it becomes soft.
Temam. Okay.
Êkê bikele. Gûş jî qet nav de hinda bibe, kûk. It must boil. The meat should also disappear inside it completely, melt.
De ka kerem ke, em seykin çawa çêdikin. Please go ahead, let's watch how you make it.
E, noka me daniya xwe dînoyî serê. Yes, now we have put our meal/wheat on it.
Pîvazê xawîr kirin. Me xû, esûte xwe kirine, emê noha hana mistin. Sautéed the onions. We did our salt/fuel/fat, we will now rub it like this.
Emê di nav daniya xwe kin. Heva jî dan e. We will put it in our meal. This is also the wheat (dan).
Me daye serê. We put it on (the fire).
Emê ortax goştê xwe... We will then... our meat...
Tav din... Put it in...
Sek, heva dan e, û nû kin. Look, this is wheat, and renew/fresh.
Emê ortax goştê xwe têkinê. We will then put our meat in it.
Û emê ortax bikelînin. And we will then boil it.
Da çi çû, saetekê çû, nîv saetê çû, daniya me bikelê, emê tev din. Whatever (time) passed, an hour passed, half an hour passed, our wheat boils, we will stir.
Cîc kî din emê zerkik zeytê xwe jî têkinê, û emê... A bit later we will put a little of our oil in it too, and we will...
Merheba. Hello.
Ehlen we sehlen, hello. Welcome, hello.
Nofê te bi xêr? Are you well?
Mistefa. Mustafa.
Birê Mistefa ev çend sal tu vê karî dikî? Brother Mustafa, how many years have you been doing this work?
Wele evl heft-heş sal in. Well, it's been seven-eight years.
Me girtibû, me noka, ecer de salek e teqrîben me vekiriye elhemdulila. We had closed it, we now, again it's been about a year since we opened it, praise be to God.
Na ev mehmesal, bes tenê li Efrînê, yan kesî din heye? Now this roaster, is it only in Afrin, or is there anyone else?
Na heye, yek din heye, yek li Efrînê heye. No there is, there is another one, there is one in Afrin.
Ew jî ev a li me ye, mehmesa bû Bangîn. Wêr dibên Bangîn. And that one is ours, it was the Bangin roaster. They call it Bangin there.
Yanî di Kantona Efrînê da bes hûn didu ne? Meaning in Afrin Canton, there are only you two?
E, em didu tenê ne. Yes, we are only two.
Ka ji me re bêje hûn çi û çi kar dikin? Tell us what work you do exactly?
Wele çil sûkê hebe em wê çêdikin. Well, whatever nut/snack is in the market, we make it.
Dendikê berberoyê ne, berberoyê spî ne, zebeş in, fistiq in, fistiqê hûr in, şekirî mitlebes e, gors e... There are sunflower seeds, white sunflower seeds, watermelon seeds, peanuts, small peanuts, sugar coated chickpeas, almonds...
Û qulubat hene teben. And there are mixed nuts/seeds of course.
Ev hemû karê te ye? Is all this your work?
Elhemdulila, e. Praise be to God, yes.
Na ev... ev bi çi didin, bi şê? Now this... what do you give this for, for what?
Heva 100 xeram e, qulubat, em bi 200î difiroşin. This is 100 grams, mixed nuts, we sell it for 200.
Teşkîlê giran e, heva bes qulubat e. Teben ê sivik jî heye û ê hûrik jî heye. It is a heavy assortment, this is just mixed nuts. Of course there is light one too and small one too.
Yanî tu rewşa qasê kar dikî ji bona? Meaning how is the situation of work for this?
Bixwedê, haseb. Kar... By God, it depends. Work...
Berî vê... yanî... ji vê rintir bû, rêçik ji vê vekirîtir bû. Before this... meaning... it was better than this, the path was more open than this.
Bide'e erzantir digihişt me. Noka buha digihîne me. The goods reached us cheaper. Now it reaches us expensive.
Yanî elhemdulila, wek nexweş li qey meder ketin, mestûr e, em îdare dikin. Meaning praise be to God, like patients we didn't fall down, it is decent/covered, we are managing.
Em li karê xwe ne, ne li karê xelkê ne, ne li tirkê ne, elhemdulila. We are at our own work, not at people's work, not at the Turk's, praise be to God.
Navê awita jî Cûmê? Is the name of the place also Jume?
E Cûmê. Yes Jume.
Biselef dexa min ne vekirî, min xwest navê min be. Originally I didn't open it (with that name), I wanted it to be my name.
E... min dixwest vê carînê bi kurmancî binivîsînim. Yes... I wanted to write it in Kurmanji this time.
Tabe'ê me binavê me be. Let our print/brand be in our name.
Înşela tebe'a ecer derê, emê ortax bi kurdî binivîsînin. God willing, when the new print comes out, we will then write it in Kurdish.
Înşela. Te spas dikim. God willing. I thank you.
Sax bî, ser serî. Be healthy, upon my head (you are welcome).
Temaşevanên hêja, em derbasî mala Apê Hesen bûn. Apê Hesen jî pir ji kasetên Kurdî hez dike. Dear viewers, we have moved to Uncle Hesen's house. Uncle Hesen loves Kurdish cassettes very much.
Yanî meraqek ver heye. Dê bibêjî wek ev kasetana, belkî pêncî sal in, şêst sal in li ba wî ne. I mean, he has a passion for it. You might say these cassettes have been with him for perhaps fifty or sixty years.
Lê na Apê Hesen, em ê hew ji meraqa wî bipirsin. Merheba. But no, Uncle Hesen, we will just ask him about his passion. Hello.
Ehlen, ehlen we sehlen. Ehlen we sehlan. Welcome, welcome. Welcome.
Apê Hesen, ev meraqa te ji kengê ve ye? Berî kaset tinebûn, dibêjin radyo ber hebû. Uncle Hesen, since when have you had this passion? Before cassettes existed, they say there were radios.
E radyo hebûn, bes piştî min va kasetana kirîn û min guhdarî kir, qese (çîrok) têda hene. Yes, there were radios, but after I bought these cassettes and listened to them, there are stories in them.
Qese jî bi heştê salî têda hene, bi nehstê salî hene, bi pêncî salî tê hene. There are stories from eighty years ago, ninety years ago, fifty years ago in them.
Her qesetek... Mesela têda Cebelî heye, Xelîl Beg heye... Each cassette... For example, there is Cebelî, Xelîl Beg...
Dewrêş heye, Salihê Naso heye têda, Ereb Hemedê têda heye. Dewrêş is in there, Salihê Naso is in there, Ereb Hemedê is in there.
Hûtê Çûla têda heye, Kulik têda heye. Hûtê Çûla is in there, Kulik is in there.
Û ev kelamna (stranana), yanî li dera xelk pê dike, muselsel dike, tişta derdixînin. And these songs, meaning outside people make series out of them, they produce things.
Nexêr, ev xem û çî bûn e. No, these were sorrows and pains.
Noka yek bêje tiştên nenoyî, nizanê. Now if someone says new things, they don't know.
Lê armanca te ji vê çî ye? Te xwest çîrokê Kurdî tezanibê di rîya kasetê ra yanê? But what is your goal with this? Did you want to know Kurdish stories through cassettes?
Min jê 'elimîm (fêr bûm) yanî. Ez jê 'elimîm, ez guhê xwe didimê. I learned from them. I learned from them, I listen to them.
Yanî her kî kela guhê xwe didimê... jê da 'elimê şûra, mera jê da 'elimê dera. I mean, whoever I listen to... one learns about the cities, one learns about the places.
Noka mesela Elverim, Eltirkiyê mesela ez zanim mesela Serhedê kî xwedê xwe bû. Now, for example, Erzurum, inside Turkey, for example, I know who ruled Serhed.
Mesela bajarê Toqatê ez zanim kî xwedanê xwe bû. Xêret (tenê) di rêka van da ez zanim. For example, the city of Tokat, I know who its owner was. Only through these do I know.
Ev ser vê yanî... ez meraq dikim. This is about this... I am passionate.
Û carekê xwedê xêr ke, di televîzyona Urdunê... ewê ku min guhdarî kir... And once, may God bless, on Jordanian television... that which I listened to...
Cebelî fitilandin Erebî. They adapted Cebelî into Arabic.
Yanî Ereba kirê yê xwe? So the Arabs made it their own?
Erê, erê, wate qisetê bi Erebî dan e. Yes, yes, meaning they presented the stories in Arabic.
Hew jî ez pê 'elimîm çaxê Se'dûn Beg, Cebelî cem qîza Se'dûn Begê wexê direvê... I also learned that when Se'dûn Beg... Cebelî runs away with Se'dûn Beg's daughter...
Dare ser kaniya av pîngarê... He takes her to the water spring...
Li wê derê jî, wextê ew wexê ra dibêje: "Hema eqe (ev qas) Cebelî tune." There, when she tells him: "Is there only this much of Cebelî?"
Rabû Ereb got bavê kî heye, temî dike, dibêje herre jimar (min) vî bibîn. The Arab stood up and said he has a father, he orders, saying go find him for me.
Ereb da rê û teze Ereb... dilê xwe kî herre, ewî bibîne, yekî herre eşqê xwe bibîne, jê hez dike. The Arab set off... his heart wanted to go see him, one goes to see his love, whom he loves.
Rabû bavê rûnişt û got bav û em kî herrin pêş... çêştir a dera em kî herrin ji kaniyê av din. The father sat down and said, 'Let us go forth... it is better that we go drink water from the spring.'
Û rabû çûn û kire bûn herrin ji kaniya av din. Ê, yê xwe ne av da ne. And they stood up and went, they happened to go to drink water from the spring. Well, they didn't water their own (horses).
Çûn sehkir (meze kir) hooo... qîza Şêxê Ereba û Gulexanê el kêlekê rûniştî. They went and looked, wow... the daughter of the Arab Sheik and Gulexan were sitting side by side.
Wê jî xwe kir ku bigirê. Xeber giha Şêxê Ereba. He prepared to capture him. News reached the Arab Sheik.
Weleh go Gulexanê, ewê mêra, Şêxê Ereba go namûsa me naşke û... ewê va Se'dûn Begê. By God, Gulexan said, that man, the Arab Sheik said our honor will not be broken and... that is Se'dûn Beg.
Go em herin, ew vî bikujin. Wexta hat çavê xwe li Cebelî ket, yekî camêr e. He said let's go, they will kill him. When he came and his eyes fell on Cebelî, (he saw) he is a gentleman.
Rabû Cebelî got wellehi go: "Ez nahêlim ku tivingê herdê keve." Cebelî stood up and said, by God: "I won't let the rifle fall to the ground."
"Ê eket (heke) dam (lêxim) qîza xwe Şîrîn Cemîlê li te nikah (mare) kim." "If I strike, I will marry my daughter Şîrîn Cemîl to you."
Şeş meha lê nikah dikir û dîsa direviya, da rihê xwe dikir nebin ev çî. He married her for six months and ran away again, he saved his life so this wouldn't happen.
Apê Hesen, noka tu "Takirma" jî dibêjî. Ev "Takirma" te ji kê girtin? Uncle Hesen, now you also sing "Takirma". Who did you learn this "Takirma" from?
Law de Takirma, kê çi Takirma... Oh, Takirma, what Takirma...
Berî te kê digotin di herêma Efrînê da? Who sang it before you in the Afrin region?
Law digot Reşîdê Elî digot. Reşîdê Elî jî deşhura (navdariya) li hevdaniyan... They said Reşîdê Elî sang it. Reşîdê Elî was famous in the gatherings...
Digo Reşîdê Elî, "ewe dexlê titûnê dîlya, çûbûn hotinê xwe li bergê îlya". Reşîdê Elî said, "that tobacco crop of Dîlya, their comings and goings were on the leaf of Îlya".
Derûka (derewa) ji mobeta tê, bi rûyê va, yekî ji mobeta rastiya hev da tê bi Ehmedê Gulî. Lies come from Mobeta, regarding this, one from Mobeta comes with the truth, with Ahmedê Gulî.
Lê alaqê (eleqe) qet tê re... rastiya hev da tê. But the connection... comes in truth.
Bes bajarê Efrîn pirs dike, dibê Reşîdê Elî rûvî çiye, eyî gur çiye, jê re welê dibêje. But Afrin city asks, saying what is Reşîdê Elî, is he a fox or a wolf, telling him so.
Ê wê çaxê ji mobeta tê, yê rehet e (rast e). Hew yê rehet e. Well at that time, coming from Mobeta, he is right. He is just right.
Dibê ez jî gundê we têm, ji êştê. Reşîdê Elî Şîtka bû û Ehmedê Gulî jî ji Mobeta bû. He says I also come to your village, from the mill. Reşîdê Elî was from Şîtka and Ehmedê Gulî was from Mobeta.
Hewa wextê ji êştê... bi hevdur (hevdû) dan dikin, dibê "Eşê rûvî çiye", dibê "ez me, bigerin noka ez nîme". Then when from the mill... they shout at each other, saying "What is Eşê the fox", he says "It is me, look now I am not (here)".
Dibê, "ez ji gundê we têm dawet e. Li serê dîlana Heyder û Hecîk e." He says, "I am coming from your village, it is a wedding. At the head of the dance are Heyder and Hecîk."
"Yek dibê zerik, yek dibê qulpîk e. Yek dibê mişmiş, yek dibê hûlîk e." "One says yellow, one says handled-pot. One says apricot, one says plum."
"Yek dibê kerebê, yek dibê olîk e. Yek dibê ortax, yek dibê şerîk e." "One says kereb, one says olîk. One says partner, one says associate."
"Yek dibê zirne, yek dibê pîk e. Yek dibê metik, yek dibê xultîk e." "One says zurna (flute), one says pipe. One says metik, one says xultîk."
"Binim binim çanda bû ceh, bû ceh, bû firîk e. Bû qedaxa miskê ker şer dîk e." "Let me see, let me see, the sown field became barley, became barley, became green wheat. It became the forbidden musk..."
"Nîvî xodexis, nîvî ordî ye. Hem çanda bû çeltîk e." "Half xodexis, half army. Also the sown field became paddy (rice)."
"Nîvî xezal, nîvî keyîk e. Go her peyag (bêjok) jî êvariya xwe li kêleka jinê ke ve dimeşî merîk e." "Half gazelle, half flea. He said every pedestrian in the evening walks beside the woman like a little man."
Mirodê Kûr jî hebû? Was there also Mirodê Kûr?
Law xwedê Mirodê Kûr... dibê Mîrad... Wê jî xor li hevdaniyan... digo erokê... Oh God, Mirodê Kûr... he says Mîrad... He also ate at the gatherings... he said the arak...
"Çûm Sennarê. Mala Qerecûx li kenarê." "I went to Sennarê. The house of Qerecûx is on the edge."
"Go malam xercî reş, go dan min gêrîma reş. We sebetê rabû, bû me'rka reş." "He said my home spent black, he said they gave me black coins. Because of that, a black fight broke out."
"Wa çûm mala Mihemedê Emkê, go min sehkir zînûkê nê (nuh) dênkê." "I went to the house of Mihemedê Emkê, I saw the saddle was newly press-shaped."
"Go min kutî Xwedê kin, nê (nuh) dê meke (mebe). Biseate (bi saeta) silava li Hesen û Huseyn ke." "He said, for God's sake, do not take it newly. Immediately greet Hesen and Huseyin."
"Bila ji mirovê dewrî em ke, me rêke, bike." "Let him be of the people of our time, send us, do it."
Berê ev Takirma giş ser gunda digotin yanî? In the past, was this Takirma sung in all the villages?
Digo ez çûm Şîtka, mala Zêno Hemdûş e. He said I went to Şîtka, the house of Zêno Hemdûş.
Go min go xwedîkê amûjinê, te nên dikê birûşê. I said to the owner, aunt, you are making bread in the pot.
Tê (tu yê) vîr de aqil bifroş e. Dize tê kufkî dikê, tu xêrê nafroş e. You come here to sell wisdom. The thief makes meatballs, you do not sell goodness.
Noka yê çêtirîn kî hebû? Now who was the best?
Hew yê birûdê kûr e bûn. Just those blind singers.
Ê Şukrî hebû? Was there Şukrî?
Xeyo Şukrî hewa ewik xolser kirîvê çêkiribû. Look, Şukrî, that one made himself a kirîv (sponsor).
Çûbû kirîvê xwe... Go "Kirîv, wele wextê min kirîvatiya te kir, min nizanîbû tu welê bêbext î". He had gone to his kirîv... He said "Kirîv, by God when I became your kirîv, I didn't know you were so faithless".
Go "lê kirîv, min çikir?" Go "te digo, mala min li binya gund e, konê minî spî vegirtî". He said "But Kirîv, what did I do?" He said "You said my house is at the bottom of the village, my white tent is pitched".
Kirîv wextê çû ne... tiliya cernose... û çû ne ewê kopriyê (pirê). When the Kirîv went... the finger of the pickpocket... and they went to that bridge.
Û çîqû hevalê wan, di cibil (çal) da mekin (cih) ye. And his friends screeching, their place is in the pit.
Tehm (tama) na, ev kasetê cem te, te got çend sal in ev kasetna? No taste, these cassettes with you, how many years old did you say they are?
Welle kaset heye pêncî sal heye, çil sal heye... yanî... Well, there is a cassette that is fifty years old, forty years old... I mean...
Na, na, ev çi ye, ev kaseta te çi kiriye? No, no, what is this, what is on this cassette of yours?
Heva vêr dibên Xelîl Beg. Bavkê Cebelî ye. This here, they call Xelîl Beg. He is Cebelî's father.
Heva Xelîl Beg bi xwe loyê (lawê) Ekar e. Heva Ekarî... This Xelîl Beg himself is the son of Ekar. This Ekar...
Ekarî herbê dewletê kuştin. The state killed Ekar in the war.
Ka? E... Where? Uh...
Evê şeşmekî (şeşbarmekî) mo. Şeşmekî paşî (paşê) bi heşt wezîr kuştin. This one with six fingers. Later, the six-fingered one killed eight ministers.
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Bi heşt wezîr kuştin. Wextê Cebelî vir de çû... ewê Tirkiyê daviya (dawiya) kelamê kirin hebsê. He killed eight ministers. When Cebelî went from here... that Turkey, at the end of the song, put him in prison.
Lenêt (li ser) Padîşê zemin. Padîşê zemin wextê girt, xizmet li Kurmênc jî kirî. Curse the King of the time. When the King of the time arrested him, he also served the Kurds.
Wextê xizmet li Kurmênc kirî, paşî efû hat, efû giştî hat. Derketin. When he served the Kurds, later an amnesty came, a general amnesty came. They got out.
Derketin çûn, ji Xarpêtê (Xarput) derketin, hatin Diyarbekirê. They got out and left, they left Kharput, they came to Diyarbakir.
Li Diyarbekirê dîtin hespê qemerê dewat e. Pêkanîn (fêmkirin) ku ev hespê bavê wî ye. In Diyarbakir, they saw a moon-colored horse at a wedding. They realized that this was his father's horse.
Kifş kirin. Hespê Ekar e. Xelîl Begê dît ku hespê bavê wî li bin Erebekî ye. They identified it. It is Ekar's horse. Xelîl Beg saw that his father's horse was under an Arab.
Ereb... qebzeya şûr girt û li serê Erebî xist û hespê bavê xwe stand. The Arab... he grabbed the hilt of the sword and struck the Arab's head and took his father's horse.
Li wira revîn, hatin Sûriyê. Hatin Binxetê. Binêre kasetê binêre. From there they fled, they came to Syria. They came below the line. Look, look at the cassette.
Heta nêvî naçe naqede. Heta sê saeta dikişîne. It doesn't end until the middle. It lasts up to three hours.
Qiseya van dirêj e. Hevak muselselek ji vê çêbibe, ji Kûsûfî (Mexican soap opera) xweştir dibe. Their story is long. If a series were made from this, it would be better than Kusuf.
Te spas dikim Apê Hesen. I thank you, Uncle Hesen.
Welle ser seran û ser çavan. Te jî wusa ye kî. You are welcome, upon my head and eyes. You too are like that.
Temaşevanên hêja, li vir jî em ê xatirê xwe ji we bixwazin. Em gihiştin dawiya bernameya xwe. Dear viewers, here we will bid you farewell. We have reached the end of our program.
Me li gundê Çeqela derbas kir. Lê di dawiyê da jî du kom li vî gundî jî hene. We spent it in the village of Çeqela. But at the end, there are also two groups in this village.
Koma Şehîd Şîlan a ciwana, û Koma Şehîd Zeredeşt a zaroka. Lê bi dawiye, wîn û vê du komnava. The Martyr Şîlan Group of the youth, and the Martyr Zeredeşt Group of the children. But finally, you and these two groups.
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